Don’t Patronize Us!
Don’t patronize us over AFA, DBC and other people with personal issues within almost a year! I am just expressing my own point of views about what was going on with DVTV and Deafread. We are dealing with it under unnecessary turmoil by that so-called immature group. I caught someone who loves to dictate other people’s lives over their employment status and their reputation. Someone did not accept it when anyone who made reasonable negotiates with any kind of organization. Someone did not like it when anyone tried to make friends under neutral ground even we don’t agree with each other. It is NOT your job to SABOTAGE our effort to make friends. You revealed yourself in front of any viewers as most well known CYBERSABOTAGER. You know who I am talking about. Just use your plain and simple COMMON SENSE!
“If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately” Thomas Paine, Common Sense
I had witnessed how those kinds of group are persistent to patronize the individual over AFA, DBC and Deafhood issues for a year. We are the human beings with multiple and different kind of political views. You try to patronize us until we do it your WAY. HELL NO! This is not SOCIALISM. It is AMERICA the land of Freedom for everyone. We already know some of you played dirty games with us; don’t ever use HOLISM and ASSUMPTION on us like a GOD.
“Reputation is what men and women think of us; character is what God and angles know of us” Thomas Paine, Common Sense
Just be YOURSELF and use your brain!
Cheers! Charles Downing ~ The Rogue
May 17, 2009 at 11:26 am
Have you really heard of freedom of speech? Then we ALL (you, him, her, me, we, they, etc.) have a right to use it. But with respect and dignity… this posting does not show respect/dignity. Instead, you are effectively oppressing the target’s right to freedom of speech.
Remember… when one’s perspective does not mesh with another’s perspective, disagreement results. When one’s version of truth does not match another’s version of truth, it’s called lies, misinformation, etc.
Each to his/her own. *shrug*
May 17, 2009 at 11:49 am
Being realistic and providing each other with reality checks and healthy point of view is not patronizing. My guess is you are trying to intimidate others from expressing their different point of views by calling it patronizing. Whatever happened to healthy discussion in quest for greater understanding of things that surrounds us?
May 17, 2009 at 11:55 am
Wow, impressive. I have no comment. Since you are pointing the finger at me in front of Deafread and DeafTv. What I have done for past months… Are you stating I am the scapegoat for this problems? Then Don’t patronize me.
May 17, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Rouge,
I agree with #1 and #2. It’s not hard to figure it out.
May 17, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Easy Charles…. per your request we’re having a healthy discussion here. Just wanted to remind you that patronizing works both ways…. and you are not guilty-free when it comes down to patronizing others. Let’s look at the bigger picture. What do you think DBC / AFA is doing to AG Bell? What do you think AFA is doing to hearing people by calling them Audists for every little things they said or do. What do you think Deafhood Foundation is doing to those who don’t attend their workshops? The list goes on and on. I found it rather odd for DBC / AFA to be complaining about being patronized when it practice such thing towards AG Bell and hearing people. Think about it. I’m not pointing my fingers at you before you pointed yours at me. Think about who is patronizing who. Great v/blog. I loved it because now we’re able to have a healthy discussion about what DBC / AFA are also doing. It help open things up for everybody to realize what they’ve been doing as well.
May 17, 2009 at 3:06 pm
First thing I applauded your vlog!!! I agreed with you everything because I got tired of being fooled by some (not all) Deaf orally supporters who already know how to use ASL. They just rather to used 2 faces by telling not truth to the hearing parents of Deaf children to support the oral Deaf education first place instead of learning sign language to develop cognitive language rapidly. Why waste of time if the Deaf children have some benefits from using sign language to help by developing cognitive rapidly more than using the oral education alone only??? Most of Deaf who do NOT even care if some of us Deaf are stuck with not using sign language in oral Deaf education only while we did missed so much understanding the language!!! They just like to make us shut up and forced us to respect only ORAL Deaf education like waste of time!!!! Some of us are FED UP respecting too much on Deaf Oral Education for NOTHING while they do NOT respect ASL education!!! WAKE UP and SMELL the coffee or are we supposed to learn “do NOTHING” and “BACK OFF” and let the hearing colonized the Deaf colonies???
May 17, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Now we are being CIVIL and RADICAL discussion. This is good start to open your point of views. I know some of you are trying to seek the ANSWERS from any of us. I believe one day we might finally come down the table and being discreet each other over issues.
Simply, WE don’t patronize each other.
Peace
Charles Downing
May 17, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Charles,
Thank you for making this dialogue possible. I wanted to point something out. It is also an opportunity for you and others to open yours/theirs point of views and seek answers from us as well. Please realize this because it’s extremely important. My hope is that you are not viewing us as the only party that is trying to open our point of views and seek answers from you and your side. I hope to see equal efforts coming from the other side as well because It takes two to tango together.
Thanks again for an excellent v/blog.
May 17, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Charles – thank you for your blogging / vlogging
Loved the quotes you selected from Thomas Paine
I have long wished we could appeal to the “better angels of our nature” (Abraham Lincoln)
Be well, stay strong, seek true peace (the presence of justice)
Don’t give up. We shall overcome.
Peace
Patti
May 17, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Great vlog Charles! Thomas Paine was enlightened to write the Common Sense by the reform thinkers (John Locke, Rousieere) that C.S. later inspired the writing of the Declaration of Independence.
I left my comment in dvtv but you requested to leave AGB’s quote about signs…
Derived from Forbidden Signs by Douglas Baynton, on page 55:
“‘Speech had become the greatest of all objects,’ as Alexander Graham Bell expressed it; to ‘ask the value of speech’, he believed, ‘is like asking the value of life.’ The value of speech was, for the oralists, akin to the value of being human. To be human was to speak. to sign was to step downward in the scale of being.”
For more than a century, AGB and his cronies have done nothing but to patronize ASL and Deaf people who use it. It is not too long ago that the very same organization wrote a statement that those who “use ASL only is socially isolated from the rest of society.” in a letter to Pepsi. If that is not called patronizing then I would not know what else can it possibly be.
DBC had showed up to deliver a message, “Let all Deaf children sign.” in the rally. There were no statements in the rally to patronize them. There is no exclusion in language of DBC’s part as opposed to AVT/ABG that excludes ASL and underestimates the value of the language that would have greatly benefit literacy and even speech. If you don’t call that patronizing, again I would not know what else to call it!
May 18, 2009 at 3:44 am
Hi,
Yeah patronizing is not the way to go. Especially when we have been looked down for many generations to come along and that we cannot be ourselves.
I’m not quite sure if we patronize people who support AGB or oralism or whatever, we have and still are oppressed. So how can we be patronizing them? It doesnt quite make any sense.
It is like telling black people not to patronize white people especially back in the days when they forbade black people from going to white restrooms or bus or whatever. Everything had to be segrerated. Black people were told to respect white men and to obey the laws. Of course, I can imagine how hard it was for them to feel anger, humilation and despair for being treated like this. MLK and his group aimed for the government to make changes to improve lives for the black population. This was successful, although it must have been a very painful and time consuming thing for them.